IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

• What David Epstein learned from a brilliant Nobel Prize-winning economist
• Why it’s smart to aim for “good enough,” instead of optimizing every decision
• How a brutal injury led David to life-changing breakthroughs
• What he does to preserve his attention, resisting endless distractions
• How Isabel Allende illustrates the powerful benefits of silence & structure
• How to identify bottlenecks & tackle limiting factors that hold you back
• Why one of the world’s hottest start-up companies flamed out
• How a structured system made Pixar a creative & financial trailblazer
• How to balance a grand vision with practical steps along the way
• What a dead blues guitar hero can teach you about focused learning
• Why limitless autonomy may not make you as happy as you expect
• How to identify values that give meaning & coherence to your life
• What David learned from two of his most inspiring role models

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TRANSCRIPT

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[00:00:00] Intro: You are listening to the Richer, Wiser, Happier Podcast, where your host William Green, interviews the world’s greatest investors and explores how to win in markets and life. This show is not investment advice and is intended for informational and entertainment purposes only. All opinions expressed by hosts and guests are solely their own, and they may have investments in the securities discussed. Now for your host, William Green.

[00:00:06] William Green: All right, folks, I’m thrilled to welcome today’s guest, David Epstein. David is a superb author who published a hugely influential book in 2019 called Range, which explored the advantages of being a generalist with broad experiences and skills. In a world where we’re often encouraged to adopt an increasingly narrow, specialized focus. That book was a number one New York Times bestseller, and today we’re going to talk in depth about his new book, which is being published this week.

[00:00:27] William Green: It’s titled Inside the Box. And the subtitle is How Constraints Make Us Better. I read an advance copy of the book cover to cover over the last few days with tremendous pleasure. And I have to say, it’s really terrific.

[00:00:39] William Green: It’s very richly researched. It’s full of thought provoking insights for anyone who wants to build a richer, wiser, happier life. Whether you’re an investor or a business person, an athlete, a creative, or anyone else who’s trying to figure out how to live meaningfully in extremely complicated times. So David, welcome. Thanks so much for joining us.

[00:00:59] David Epstein: It’s a pleasure. As I told you, one of my friends was on recently and spoke very highly of you. So I’m honored to be here.

[00:01:05] William Green: Thank you. That was the great Brad Stulberg, who I’m very grateful for the introduction from Brad. So your new book opens with a beautiful epigraph, an opening quote from a Nobel Prize winning economist and legendary polymath named Herbert Simon, which sets up the theme of the entire book. And here’s the quote.

[00:01:22] William Green: It is a myth widely believed, but not less mythical for that, that people are most creative when they are most free. And then towards the end of the book, you write that if you had to choose a single thinker whose work most influenced the book, it would be Herbert Simon. So can you start by telling us who he was and how he influenced the themes of this book?

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